Meat is ALWAYS going to be more expensive to produce than vegetables, because you don’t need to RAISE vegetables, you just GROW them. Animals have more needs, so unless something is going horribly wrong (as it is) meat should always be a luxury. When my grandparents were young, animal products were a luxury. They might have had meat twice a week, and that was a good week.

I personally don’t think I’d ever eat meat, (I don’t see it as my right, but I’m not a welfarist) even if the world was fixed tomorrow, but I don’t have a problem with people raising and caring for their own animals and consuming them. I think we’d all do just fine on vegan diets, but if people really are set on eating meat, then they have to realise they would have to eat it a quarter as often (at LEAST)if we were to produce all animal products ethically because if it’s not a luxury, then its being produced cheaply, and that ALWAYS means bad treatment for the animals.

Why does it always have to be either/or? We can push vegan education AND reduce suffering as much as possible.

“Providing bigger, comfier cages is completely counter-productive. There is absolutely no evidence that it does anything to move us toward zero animal use.”

I disagree. And there’s no evidence it doesn’t. But having said that, I know we’re on the same side, so vegan on!